{"id":41801,"date":"2015-07-21T06:24:01","date_gmt":"2015-07-21T13:24:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/?p=41801"},"modified":"2015-07-21T06:24:01","modified_gmt":"2015-07-21T13:24:01","slug":"origin-expression-piss-like-racehorse","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/2015\/07\/origin-expression-piss-like-racehorse\/","title":{"rendered":"The Origin of the Expression &#8220;Piss Like a Racehorse&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"pf-content\"><div class=\"highlighter\">R. Cantos asks: I was just wondering who came up with the expression &#8220;piss like a racehorse&#8221;?<\/div>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/horse-racing.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-42207\" src=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/horse-racing-340x211.png\" alt=\"horse-racing\" width=\"340\" height=\"211\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/horse-racing-340x211.png 340w, https:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/horse-racing-640x397.png 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 340px) 100vw, 340px\" \/><\/a>When most horses take a leak, it is a dramatic sight, with the stream typically about one-third to one-half an inch in diameter, creating a veritable &#8220;river&#8221; of urine that seems to have impressed some wordsmith sufficiently to coin the phrase, &#8220;piss like a (race)horse&#8221; &#8211; today denoting a full human bladder that needs emptied yesterday. Although authoritative sources for the expression&#8217;s origins are non-existent, luckily, the tools of the modern world are at our fingertips to try to track down the origin and progression of this rather uncouth phrase.<\/p>\n<p>To begin with, a version of the expression was born sometime just after the mid-20th century. At this point, the combustion engine had long since supplanted horse power for transportation and other work, which is perhaps why there aren&#8217;t other variants that include things like &#8220;piss like a carriage horse&#8221; or &#8220;plow horse.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>So when, specifically, is the first documented instance of this expression? It has been claimed that it was in Richard Le Mon&#8217;s 1972 poetry collection <em>The Needles&#8217; Balance<\/em>. However, the somewhat suspect source for that does not provide any information on where in said book this occurs, nor what the exact text is. Further, if this is correct, it would place it a full decade before any more readily verifiable documented instance of the exact phrase. (As no digital version of the book exists and I couldn&#8217;t get a hold of a copy (yet), we&#8217;ll leave that for now.)<\/p>\n<p>But, in the end, it doesn&#8217;t necessarily matter\u00a0in tracing the ultimate origin of the phrase if <em>The Needles&#8217; Balance<\/em> was first.\u00a0 You see, the original expression was not &#8220;piss like a racehorse,&#8221; but rather &#8220;piss like a horse.&#8221; The first known documented instance of this appears to be in Issues 6-7 (page 27) of the 1969 <em>New American Review<\/em>. In it, the following text appears, &#8220;the noise of straining tractors, uncles who were proud they could <strong>piss like a horse<\/strong>, and who ingested certain liquids to permit them to continue to&#8230;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>After this, the phrase &#8220;piss like a horse&#8221; appeared in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?tbo=p&amp;tbm=bks&amp;q=%22piss+like+a+horse%22&amp;tbs=,cdr:1,cd_min:Jan+1_2+1900,cd_max:Dec+31_2+1980&amp;num=50\" target=\"_blank\">numerous works<\/a> of the 1970s and beyond.<\/p>\n<p>The first instance of specifying a &#8220;racehorse,&#8221; rather than just any horse, that I could find and verify wasn&#8217;t until the 1982 <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0394522141\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0394522141&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=vicastingcom-20&amp;linkId=SIOJC36RKHFE66KT\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Groundrush<\/em><\/a> by Greg Barron, in which he writes &#8220;He unzipped his fly and pissed on the insect. <strong>Piss like a racehorse.<\/strong> That&#8217;s what Pap would recommend- Pap who loved horses and dogs far more than he loved people.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>As to why the switch from just any horse to a racehorse occurred, this is anybody&#8217;s guess. It has been speculated that the &#8220;race&#8221; part was included as it implies urgency, hence the meaning of &#8220;urgent need to urinate.&#8221; However, the first documented instances of the exact expression have the same meaning and usage as the original &#8220;piss like a horse&#8221;- urinate a massive amount, rather than specifically referring to the pressing need to urinate a massive amount. So it may actually be the other way around, with the meaning shifting to implicate urgency coming later as a result of the already included &#8220;racehorse.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>It also has been noted that &#8220;racehorse&#8221; just sounds better than &#8220;horse&#8221; in the expression, not unlike a common alliterative variant that has popped up since, &#8220;Piss like a Russian racehorse.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The transition from &#8220;horse&#8221; to &#8220;racehorse&#8221; has also been correlated with the fact that in the early 1970s the drug furosemide began to be legalized in horse racing on race day, first in 1974 in Maryland and spreading from there.<\/p>\n<p>The first known use of it in horse racing, however, was about a decade before this when veterinarian Alex Harthill, &#8220;Derby Doc,&#8221; gave legendary race horse Northern Dancer a dose before the Kentucky Derby. Northern Dancer went on to win by a nose over Hill Rise.<\/p>\n<p>So what does this have to do with horses&#8217; urinating and why was it given to Northern Dancer and then many, many other race horses since? Furosemide greatly reduces the incidences of exercise-induced pulmonary hemorrhaging. As such, it became a very desirable thing to give to race horses to curb this potential problem.<\/p>\n<p>More important to the topic at hand is that the drug is a major diuretic; a horse given this expels massive amounts of urine (potentially several gallons in an hour) relative to their normal output (a few quarts every few hours). The perceived benefit of this is that the horses can be induced to shed some quick pounds before the race and the net effect, besides the major benefit of reducing instances of pulmonary hemorrhaging, is thought to be better race times.<\/p>\n<p>So it has been speculated that the rise of the use of this drug in the 1970s in horse racing may have seen the expression transition from &#8220;piss like a horse&#8221; to &#8220;piss like a racehorse&#8221; &#8211; the latter expelling drastically more urine directly before races when on furosemide than their non-doped up brethren. From there, the expression evolved to not just mean the act of expelling a massive amount of urine, but more commonly used today to imply the urgent need to do so.<\/p>\n<p>If you liked this article, you might also enjoy our new popular podcast, The BrainFood Show (<a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-brainfoodshow\/id1350586459\" rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/36xpXQMPVXhWJzMoCHPJKd\" target=\"_blank\">Spotify<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/playmusic.app.goo.gl\/?ibi=com.google.PlayMusic&#038;isi=691797987&#038;ius=googleplaymusic&#038;apn=com.google.android.music&#038;link=https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Insimdi4g6puyyr4qbt6tup5b6m?t%3DThe_BrainFood_Show%26pcampaignid%3DMKT-na-all-co-pr-mu-pod-16\" rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play Music<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/feed\/brainfood\/\" target=\"_blank\">Feed<\/a>), as well as:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/2014\/02\/engines-commonly-measured-horsepower\/\" target=\"_blank\">Why Engine Power is Often Measured in Horsepower<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/2013\/04\/urine-facts\/\" target=\"_blank\">How Urine Can Be Used to Make Gunpowder (and Other Interesting Pee Facts)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/2013\/09\/why-do-vitamins-make-urine-bright-yellow\/\" target=\"_blank\">Why Do Vitamins Make Urine Bright Yellow?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/2014\/03\/tarnation\/\" target=\"_blank\">What is a Tarnation?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/2012\/04\/what-is-a-kudo-as-in-kudos-to-you\/\" target=\"_blank\">What is a Kudo, as in \u201cKudos to You\u201d?<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span id=\"bonusfacts\">Bonus<\/span> Facts:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>There is a lot of money to be made in racing and breeding thoroughbred horses. In fact, one horse, Curlin (n\u00e9 2004, pun intended) who won the Preakness Stakes and Breeders&#8217; Cup Classic in 2007 and the Dubai World Cup in 2008, has earned, as of 2014, well more than $10,000,000. Prolific, Curlin &#8220;covered&#8221; 131 mares in 2009, and one of his sons, Palace Malice, won the Belmont Stakes in 2013.<\/li>\n<li>Horse racing in the United States precedes its formation, and beginning in 1823, an annual North vs. South horseracing competition was held; at the first run at Union Race Course, the North&#8217;s <em>American Eclipse<\/em> beat the South&#8217;s <em>Sir Henry<\/em>. The competition continued through the Civil War.<\/li>\n<li>The term <em>Triple Crown<\/em>, denoting winning the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness Stakes and the Belmont Stakes, became popular in 1930 when sportswriter Bryan Field applied it to <em>Gallant Fox<\/em>, who was the second horse to win all three (<em>Sir Barton<\/em> was the first).<\/li>\n<li>Meaning &#8220;to urinate,&#8221; the word <em>piss<\/em> traces its roots to the late 1200s and an Old French word <em>pissier<\/em>.<\/li>\n<li><em>Pee <\/em>as a verb for urinating is a much more recent word, a variant of <em>piss<\/em>, it traces to only 1879. As a noun for urination, <em>pee<\/em> has been used since 1902, and as a noun for the urine itself, to only 1961.<\/li>\n<li><em>Urinate<\/em> as a verb traces its origins to the 1590s, and is itself derived from the Medieval Latin word for urination, <em>urinationem<\/em>.<\/li>\n<li><em>Race<\/em>, as in the act of running, dates back to the 1300s and derives from an Old Norse word, <em>ras<\/em>. As a &#8220;contest of speed,&#8221; it was first recorded in the early 1500s.<\/li>\n<li><em>Horse <\/em>is an even older word, dating back to the Old English (500-1150 AD) <em>hors<\/em>; it achieved its modern spelling by about the turn of the 1400s. <em>Race horse <\/em>dates back to the 1620s, and is merely the combination of the other two words.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<span class=\"collapseomatic \" id=\"id69d09ca99aee9\"  tabindex=\"0\" title=\"Expand for References\"    >Expand for References<\/span><div id=\"target-id69d09ca99aee9\" class=\"collapseomatic_content \">\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/edition.cnn.com\/2015\/06\/06\/us\/belmont-stakes-american-pharoah\/\">American Pharaoh Wins Triple Crown<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lanesend.com\/stallion\/curlin\">Curlin<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Curlin\">Curlin<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/etymonline.com\/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&amp;search=&amp;searchmode=none\">Etymonline<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.uctc.net\/access\/30\/Access%2030%20-%2002%20-%20Horse%20Power.pdf\">From Horse Power to Horsepower<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/thomasthoughts.blogspot.com\/2011\/04\/i-have-to-pee-like-racehorse-where-does.html\">I Have to Pee Like a Racehorse<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wgbh\/americanexperience\/features\/timeline\/seabiscuit\/\">Horseracing in the U.S.<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.slate.com\/media\/17\/05022008.pdf\">How much do racehorses pee?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/therail.blogs.nytimes.com\/2012\/05\/05\/long-history-of-drug-use-in-the-derby\/?_r=0\">Long History of Drug Use in the Derby<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/therail.blogs.nytimes.com\/2008\/04\/24\/origins-of-triple-crown\/\">Origins of Triple Crown<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.wordorigins.org\/index.php\/forums\/viewthread\/1383\/\">Pee like a racehorse<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/boards.straightdope.com\/sdmb\/showthread.php?t=66469\">Piss Like a Racehorse<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.cnn.com\/2013\/06\/28\/sport\/horse-racing-male-female\/index.html\">Racing&#8217;s battle of the sexes<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Curlin\">Top 50 Thoroughbreds<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Furosemide\" target=\"_blank\">Furosemide<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Northern_Dancer\" target=\"_blank\">Northern Dancer<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.irregardlessmagazine.com\/language-and-grammar\/what-made-the-urinary-behavoirs-of-racehorses-so-notorious\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Urinary Behavior of Racehorses<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.slate.com\/articles\/news_and_politics\/explainer\/2007\/06\/does_a_racehorse_pee_like_a_racehorse.html\" target=\"_blank\">Does a Racehorse Pee Like a Racehorse?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=v-ZZAAAAMAAJ&amp;q=%22piss+like+a+horse%22&amp;dq=%22piss+like+a+horse%22&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0CB4Q6AEwAGoVChMI8P_8t43sxgIVzzCICh3mcAEP\" target=\"_blank\">New American Review<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>R. Cantos asks: I was just wondering who came up with the expression &#8220;piss like a racehorse&#8221;? When most horses take a leak, it is a dramatic sight, with the stream typically about one-third to one-half an inch in diameter, creating a veritable &#8220;river&#8221; of urine that seems to have impressed some wordsmith sufficiently to coin the phrase, &#8220;piss like [&#8230;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":35,"featured_media":42207,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,2781,7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-41801","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-today-i-found-out","category-featured-facts","category-language"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41801","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/35"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=41801"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41801\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":42211,"href":"https:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41801\/revisions\/42211"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/42207"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=41801"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=41801"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=41801"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}