{"id":474,"date":"2010-06-01T00:25:49","date_gmt":"2010-06-01T07:25:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/?p=474"},"modified":"2016-02-29T11:46:03","modified_gmt":"2016-02-29T19:46:03","slug":"the-word-whence-is-pretty-much-always-used-incorrectly","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/2010\/06\/the-word-whence-is-pretty-much-always-used-incorrectly\/","title":{"rendered":"The Word \u2018Whence\u2019 is Pretty Much Always Used Incorrectly"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"pf-content\"><p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Now-You-Know.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-10670\" title=\"Now-You-Know\" src=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Now-You-Know-340x286.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"340\" height=\"286\" \/><\/a><a href='http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com' title='Interesting Facts'>Today I found out<\/a> that the word &#8216;whence&#8217; is pretty much always used incorrectly, especially by modern day writers.<\/p>\n<p>For example, (from the Lord of the Rings, spoken by Elrond):\u00a0 &#8220;The Ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom; only there can it be unmade. It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from <strong>whence<\/strong> it came.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>So why is this wrong?\u00a0 &#8216;Whence&#8217; actually means &#8220;from where&#8221; or &#8220;from what place&#8221;;\u00a0 so what was said above was, &#8220;It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from from where it came.&#8221;\u00a0 &#8216;Whence&#8217; implies a &#8220;from&#8221; already; so preceding it with &#8216;from&#8217;, which is commonly done, is redundant.\u00a0 This is the principal advantage of using a word like &#8220;whence&#8221; instead of just saying &#8220;from where&#8221;; it implies the &#8220;from&#8221; already.<\/p>\n<p>This is very similar to &#8220;hence&#8221; which, if used to refer to time or location, has an implied &#8220;from&#8221;: &#8220;from this place&#8221; or &#8220;from this time&#8221;. For example: &#8220;I shall go hence.&#8221;; meaning &#8220;I shall go from here&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>It isn&#8217;t just now-a-days that this has been commonly misused either.\u00a0\u00a0 Grammar Nazis have been long enraged about the &#8220;from whence&#8221; faux pas since as early as the thirteenth century.<\/p>\n<p>Whence did this first start popping up?\u00a0 There are numerous examples of the &#8220;from whence&#8221; usage in works by Shakespeare, Defoe, Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, and even several in the King James Bible.<\/p>\n<div class=\"ad-right\"><!-- wp_ad_camp_1 --><\/div>\n<p>So just remember:<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;from whence&#8217; = &#8216;from from where&#8217; = bad<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;whence&#8217; = &#8216;from where&#8217; = good<\/p>\n<p>Of course, given that people have been using whence &#8220;incorrectly&#8221; for many hundreds of years and this faux pas is fairly common today, it could be argued that this isn&#8217;t technically incorrect at all, just a little redundant. But how else are Grammar Nazis supposed to demonstrate smugly superior linguistic intellects in internet comments if we don&#8217;t nitpick these sorts of things? 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For example, (from the Lord of the Rings, spoken by Elrond):\u00a0 &#8220;The Ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom; only there can it be unmade. It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm [&#8230;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":10670,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,7],"tags":[137,131,367],"class_list":["post-474","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-today-i-found-out","category-language","tag-etymology","tag-language-2","tag-whence"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/474","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=474"}],"version-history":[{"count":18,"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/474\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":46188,"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/474\/revisions\/46188"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/10670"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=474"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=474"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=474"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}