{"id":32238,"date":"2014-05-06T00:05:42","date_gmt":"2014-05-06T07:05:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/?p=32238"},"modified":"2014-05-06T00:02:07","modified_gmt":"2014-05-06T07:02:07","slug":"origin-term-brownie-points","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/2014\/05\/origin-term-brownie-points\/","title":{"rendered":"The Origin of the Term &#8220;Brownie Points&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"pf-content\"><div class=\"highlighter\">Andrew M. asks: Why do we say &#8220;You just earned some brownie points.&#8221; What were brownie points originally for?<\/div>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/brownie.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-32463\" src=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/brownie-340x325.jpg\" alt=\"brownie\" width=\"340\" height=\"325\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/brownie-340x325.jpg 340w, http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/brownie-640x612.jpg 640w, http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/brownie.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 340px) 100vw, 340px\" \/><\/a>There are many, many origin theories for this one. One of the most often repeated and widely accepted theories is that \u201cbrownie points\u201d\u2014imaginary points earned by someone for doing a good deed, and lost by doing something unfavourable\u2014stem from the Brownies, a tier of 7-10 year old Girl Scouts or Girl Guides.<\/p>\n<p>The Girl Scout or Girl Guide Brownies took their name from the mythical creature, the brownie. The mythical brownies were known for being kind and helpful and performing household chores while a family sleeps. The girl-brownies are supposed to emulate this behaviour, being quietly helpful without asking for much in return.<\/p>\n<p>As a reward for doing good deeds, Brownies receive badges\u2014or, if you\u2019d like, \u201cbrownie points.\u201d Many people assume that this is how the term originated, going so far as to call them \u201cBrownie points\u201d with a capital B. It may very well be the origin of the term, but there are many other contenders as well, and this is one of those cases where multiple factors may have coalesced to help create and popularize the phrase.<\/p>\n<p>Wartime food rationing is another possible origin of brownie points. People were given ration points in different colours with which to buy food in the United States. Red or brown points were used to buy meat, which would have been a sought-after commodity. \u201cBrown points\u201d could easily have turned into \u201cbrownie points.\u201d Alternatively, it might relate to the slang \u201cbrown-noser,\u201d which seems to have first popped up around 1939.<\/p>\n<p>While these theories are by no means the only ones, they do appear to have the most credence and a couple of them may be linked, combining to result in &#8220;brownie points.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The Girl Scout Brownies theory is the only one that explains an actual point system for doing good deeds. Further, the term \u201cbrownie points\u201d started off in the school yard, working itself into student slang, and was recorded in the 1944 edition of <em>American Speech<\/em>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A person who is always asking and answering questions in class to impress the instructor. Also a person who stays after class to try to insinuate himself into the teacher\u2019s good graces.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This hints at the &#8220;brown-noser&#8221; connection, and certainly one can see how the behavior of Brownies might have overlapped with that of brown-nosers, with the Girl Scouts perhaps even earning points for some of this behavior.<\/p>\n<p>At some point this schoolyard slang percolated to members of the military during WWII where \u201cbrownie points\u201d was used as a sarcastic sort of insult. As with many other things, the soldiers helped the phrase spread.<\/p>\n<p>By 1951, the term was still relatively new among certain portions of the masses. That year, Marvin Miles published an article called \u201cBrownie Points\u2014a New Measure of a Husband\u201d in the <em>Los Angeles Times<\/em>, detailing his experiences hearing about brownie points. He goes to some length to describe what brownie points are, suggesting that it wasn\u2019t a well-known term in the area.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I first heard about them [brownie points] when the chap standing next to me in the elevator pulled a letter from his pocket, looked at it in dismay and muttered &#8220;More lost brownie points.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Figuring him for an eccentric, I forgot about them until that evening when one of the boys looked soulfully into the foam brimming his glass and said solemnly: \u2018I should have been home two hours ago &#8230; I&#8217;ll never catch up on my brownie points.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Brownie points! What esoteric cult was this that immersed men in pixie mathematics?<\/p>\n<p>\u2018You don&#8217;t know about brownie points? It&#8217;s a way of figuring where you stand with the little woman &#8211; favor or disfavor. Started way back in the days of the leprechauns, I suppose, long before there were any doghouses.\u2019\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As you can see, Miles\u2019 informant believed that the term was related to the mythological creature. As the Brownies were inspired by the brownies, this is perhaps not entirely incorrect assuming the Girl Scouts really are to thank for this expression, maybe with a little (or a lot of) help from the previously existing &#8220;brown-noser,&#8221; which may have even independently inspired the phrase.<\/p>\n<p>If you liked this article, you might also enjoy our new popular podcast, The BrainFood Show (<a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-brainfoodshow\/id1350586459\" rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/36xpXQMPVXhWJzMoCHPJKd\" target=\"_blank\">Spotify<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/playmusic.app.goo.gl\/?ibi=com.google.PlayMusic&#038;isi=691797987&#038;ius=googleplaymusic&#038;apn=com.google.android.music&#038;link=https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Insimdi4g6puyyr4qbt6tup5b6m?t%3DThe_BrainFood_Show%26pcampaignid%3DMKT-na-all-co-pr-mu-pod-16\" rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play Music<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/feed\/brainfood\/\" target=\"_blank\">Feed<\/a>), as well as:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/2014\/03\/podcast-episode-69-invention-chocolate-chip-cookie\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Accidental Invention of the Chocolate Chip Cookie<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/2013\/04\/the-origin-of-say-cheese-and-when-people-started-smiling-in-photographs\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Origin of \u201cSay Cheese\u201d and When People Started Smiling in Photographs<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/2014\/01\/cake-eat\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Fascinating Origin of &#8220;Have Your Cake and Eat it Too&#8221;<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/2013\/09\/engineer-bought-12100-cups-pudding-earn-1-25-million-air-miles\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Engineer Who Bought Over 12,100 Cups Of Pudding to Earn 1.25 Million Air Miles<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/2013\/06\/the-interesting-origin-of-12-sandwiches\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Interesting Origin of 12 Sandwiches<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span id=\"bonusfacts\">Bonus<\/span> Facts:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Another less accepted theory of the origin of the term has to do with the Fall Brook Railroad in New York State, which had a G. R Brown as the superintendent from 1886. They had a system of merits and demerits which was well-known and copied by other railways. However, despite a lot of documentation about this system, the term \u201cbrownie points\u201d wasn\u2019t recorded until 1942, when it was used in reference to the demerits only. That doesn\u2019t explain why it\u2019s \u201cbrownie points\u201d instead of \u201cBrown points\u201d or why brownie points are considered a positive thing rather than a negative one. As it stands, most etymologists think this is an unlikely origin of the phrase.<\/li>\n<li>Yet another theory has to do with the delivery of the <em>Saturday Evening Post, Ladies Home Journal, <\/em>and <em>Country Gentleman. <\/em>All three of these publications were delivered to subscribers by boys who were given green or brown vouchers which could then be used to buy items from the Curtis Publishing Company catalogue. While \u201cbrownie points\u201d might have been the obvious thing to call the brown vouchers, no one appears to have used this term in reference to the catalogue at the time.<\/li>\n<li>Lastly, brownie points could have had something to do with the Brownie Camera Club, a children\u2019s club run by Eastman Kodak. It was started in 1900 with the purpose of teaching kids how to use the Brownie box camera. The kids could take pictures and enter their photographs in competitions which had the potential to earn cash prizes. However, there isn\u2019t any evidence of a points system nor anyone using the phrase, which makes this theory unlikely too.<\/li>\n<li>In some areas, legend has it that the mythological brownie wasn\u2019t always lovely and helpful. If they were offended or treated poorly, they could turn into evil boggarts which caused mischief around the home, such as causing the milk to turn sour.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<span class=\"collapseomatic \" id=\"id69ef3444bc429\"  tabindex=\"0\" title=\"Expand for References\"    >Expand for References<\/span><div id=\"target-id69ef3444bc429\" class=\"collapseomatic_content \">\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.phrases.org.uk\/meanings\/brownie-points.html\" target=\"_blank\">Brownie Points<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.worldwidewords.org\/qa\/qa-bro3.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Brownie Points<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Boggart\" target=\"_blank\">Boggart<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Girl_Scouts_of_the_USA\" target=\"_blank\">Girl Scouts<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Brownie_%28folklore%29\" target=\"_blank\">Brownies<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.merriam-webster.com\/dictionary\/brownnose\" target=\"_blank\">Brownnose<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Andrew M. asks: Why do we say &#8220;You just earned some brownie points.&#8221; What were brownie points originally for? There are many, many origin theories for this one. One of the most often repeated and widely accepted theories is that \u201cbrownie points\u201d\u2014imaginary points earned by someone for doing a good deed, and lost by doing something unfavourable\u2014stem from the Brownies, [&#8230;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":28,"featured_media":32463,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,2781,7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-32238","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-today-i-found-out","category-featured-facts","category-language"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/32238","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/28"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=32238"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/32238\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":32476,"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/32238\/revisions\/32476"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/32463"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=32238"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=32238"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=32238"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}